reprinted essay by 'demian' at the
Partners Task Force for Gay & Lesbian Couples
Read the following statements and quotes. What kinds of marriage do these quotes describe:
interracial couples or same-sex couples?
Quotes:
1.) This type of legal marriage must be forbidden, said the Republican senator from Wisconsin, "simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong."
2.) An organization opposed to this type of marriage claimed that legalizing it would result in "a degraded and ignoble population incapable of moral and intellectual development."
3.) "I believe that the tendency to classify all persons who oppose XXXX marriage as 'prejudiced' is in itself a prejudice," claimed a noted psychologist.
4.) A U.S. representative from Georgia declared that allowing this type of marriage "necessarily involves (the) degradation" of conventional marriage, an institution that "deserves admiration rather than execration."
5.) "The next step will be (the demand for) a law allowing them, without restraint, to … have free and unrestrained social intercourse with your unmarried sons and daughters," warned a Kentucky congressman. "It is bound to come to that. There is no disguising the fact. And the sooner the alarm is given and the people take heed, the better it will be for our civilization."
6.) "When people (like this) marry, they cannot possibly have any progeny," wrote an appeals judge in a Missouri case. "And such a fact sufficiently justifies those laws which forbid their marriages."
7.) These types of marriages are "abominable," according to Virginia law. If allowed, they would "pollute" America.
8.) In denying the appeal of this type of couple that had tried unsuccessfully to marry, a Georgia court wrote that such unions are "not only unnatural, but … always productive of deplorable results," such as increased effeminate behavior in the population. "They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good … (in accordance with) the God of nature."
9.) A ban on this type of marriage is not discriminatory, reasoned a Republican congressman from Illinois, because it "applies equally to men and women."
10.) Attorneys for the state of Tennessee argued that such unions should be illegal because they are "distasteful to our people and unfit to produce the human race." The state Supreme Court agreed, declaring these types of marriages would be "a calamity full of the saddest and gloomiest portent to the generations that are to come after us."
11.) Lawyers for California insisted that a ban on this type of marriage is necessary to prevent "traditional marriage from being contaminated by the recognition of relationships that are physically and mentally inferior," and entered into by "the dregs of society."
12.) "The law concerning marriages is to be construed and understood in relation to those persons only to whom that law relates," thundered a Virginia judge in response to a challenge to that state's non-recognition of these types of unions. "And not," he continued, "to a class of persons clearly not within the idea of the legislature when contemplating the subject of marriage."
How to Destroy Civilization as We Know It
(And Other Light Classics)
For the authors of the above statements, it would seem that legal recognition of such marriages would offend tradition, God, the sensibilities of the majority, and the natural order. All the while threatening conventional marriage, children, and the future of our civilization. Plus, they indicate a profound sense of rage, fear, and righteous indignation.
All of these quotes refer to interracial marriage, views of race, and the “proper” interaction between the races. They date from 1823-1964 and were culled by reporter Eric Zorn from a Boston University Law Review article and a brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court. Zorn’s article was published in the Chicago Tribune, May 19, 1996.
The original quote about not being able to produce progeny articulated the old, white-supremacist belief that the offspring of whites and blacks were sterile, just like mules that result when horses and donkeys mate.
It is chilling to know that 15 states still criminalized interracial marriage as recently as 1967, when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned those laws in Loving v. Virginia.
In the present day, some right-wing extremists claim that marriage should be denied because same-sex couples cannot produce children. However, many same-sex couples have children from previous relationship, as well as through insemination, surrogacy, or adoption, etc.
Still these same extremists wouldn’t think of denying a license to opposite-sex couples who cannot, or don’t want to, reproduce.
Because legal marriage has taken a wide variety of forms over the centuries, the only constant has been change. As these laws evolve to suit the times and public sentiments, it is clear that some people are loath to allow the changes to take place, whether the changes are regarding interracial marriage or same-sex marriage.
November 21 2003, 07:00:37 UTC 8 years ago
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Thank you for posting this.
November 23 2003, 14:52:53 UTC 8 years ago
Issue of church and state...
I guess before I should start, I should say that I am a Canadian member of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that, according to liberalists and other Stalinists stole the election from GWB. And now that I've gotten that out of the way I just skimmed through this (thanks to a friend for showing me this) and to me, it seems like the whole "gay marriage" stuff, well, it is just a matter of seperating church from state.Marriage is a union between a man and a woman, and mariage is used by all those big-three (Christian, Judaism, Muslim) religions. Now, yes, preventing interracial marriages was wrong. However, homosexual marriage is another thing. But anyways, the church can have their "marriage" and homosexuals can have their "civil unions." Its essentially the same thing.
Very rarely do I side on the big-three religions, but on this I do... now, I am going to copy+paste this from one of my LiveJournal entries, but here is the link: http://www.livejournal.com/users/bokhor
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"
- Now here, it states that god only condemns homosexual practices, but not homosexuals. You have power over what you do, but not who you are.
Romans 1:27
"And Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly."
- Paul here is saying that when a society refuses to follow God's prescriptions for a healthy society, you see different kinds of breakdowns, and one of the most obvious is confusion in sexual relationships.
Sura 7:78-79 (The Qu'ran)
"We also sent Lot, when he said to his people, commit ye this filthy deed? Come ye to men, instead of women, lustfully? Ye are indeed a people given up to excess."
- This speaks fo itself. Men who were having sexual relationships with men, and this was their transgression. The people of Lot were destroyed.
Now I end with a quote from a muslim. Very rarely would I do such a thing, but it does have a good point.
"We find this legislation reprehensible. They talk about the Charter of Rights, but religions have rights as well."
- Sikandar Khan of the Muslim Canadian Federation
November 23 2003, 18:48:21 UTC 8 years ago
Re: Issue of church and state...
I suggest that you read "What the Bible REALLY says about Homosexuality" by Daniel Dominiak. It's not too long a read, about 130 pages. It analyzes the Bible in its original form, cultural context, and language. The ancient Israelites were all about purity. They loved their gender roles, but only when PENETRATION was involved. a man was supposed to fuck, and a woman was supposed to be fucked. if a man fucked a man, though, the man was acting as a woman, which blurred those lines. this was a violation of jewish purity--merely a religious law, but not something wrong in itself. it says this in the bible. jesus only cared about purity of the heart--these sort of offenses were put to death because they were in violation of jewish law. keep in mind that children who disobeyed their parents were put to death, too. the original word used in place of "abomination" actually translates to "impurity."and let's not forget slavery.
as for Sodom, their crime, as it stated in several places, was inhospitality and lusting after "strange flesh"--angels. humans were not meant to do such things to god's angels. they were rude to them, abused them, and thus were punished.
please, read this book. it would do you good to see another side of the argument.